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by Naroon Kasui - 2008-02-16 |
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How will this affect the format wars, you ask?
Blu Ray hasp pretty much already won. Sorry, that's how it works.
How will this affect the format wars, you ask?
Blu Ray hasp pretty much already won. Sorry, that's how it works.
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Re: Karuto - 2008-02-16 |
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» lol
If you read what he typed, Isaac asked how it would affect the console wars, not the format wars.
Personally, I see the PS3 getting a huge boost, due to its BluRay drive and the fact that you can get both that and a great gaming system for only $400. It's already been doing great overseas, and now we'll see that translate to great sales in the Western world.
If you read what he typed, Isaac asked how it would affect the console wars, not the format wars.
Personally, I see the PS3 getting a huge boost, due to its BluRay drive and the fact that you can get both that and a great gaming system for only $400. It's already been doing great overseas, and now we'll see that translate to great sales in the Western world.
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Re: hush404 - 2008-02-16 |
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» how will it effect the console wars?
Uhh there's gonna be a lot of po'd 360 owners who bought into that ridiculous $200 addon to play discs that are now defunct.
Also, I see the PS3 selling more, now that the format has been chosen and people sitting on the fence are now sure of what format to buy.
Uhh there's gonna be a lot of po'd 360 owners who bought into that ridiculous $200 addon to play discs that are now defunct.
Also, I see the PS3 selling more, now that the format has been chosen and people sitting on the fence are now sure of what format to buy.
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Re: Stealth! - 2008-02-17 |
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» I love how
People think its over and such no its just the beginning. HD-DVD wasn't going last but now Blu-ray needs to tackle regular DVD's in order to become the winner.
Also its the fact that the PS3 isn't going to get much boost, if any, the PS3 and games is what cause BD to beat HD-DVD in the first place.
And lets not forget BD movies aren't region free, its region coded which makes its hard for a Australian to buy a U.S BD movie and work for your system, its not like games. Basically in the end Blu-ray might have beaten the HD-DVD the people still lose at the end of the day.
So it doesn't help anyone really.
People think its over and such no its just the beginning. HD-DVD wasn't going last but now Blu-ray needs to tackle regular DVD's in order to become the winner.
Also its the fact that the PS3 isn't going to get much boost, if any, the PS3 and games is what cause BD to beat HD-DVD in the first place.
And lets not forget BD movies aren't region free, its region coded which makes its hard for a Australian to buy a U.S BD movie and work for your system, its not like games. Basically in the end Blu-ray might have beaten the HD-DVD the people still lose at the end of the day.
So it doesn't help anyone really.
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Re: Eclipze_ - 2008-02-17 |
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» Stealth
Cant people just buy it from where their at and problem solved? I dont see how the people could loose anything from this.
Cant people just buy it from where their at and problem solved? I dont see how the people could loose anything from this.
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Re: Stealth! - 2008-02-17 |
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» @Eclipze_
Its simple read this and understand why Eclipze_
"BD+ was developed by Cryptography Research Inc. and is based on their concept of Self-Protecting Digital Content. BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs. Such programs can:
- examine the host environment, to see if the player has been tampered with. Every licensed playback device manufacturer must provide the BD+ licensing authority with memory footprints that identify their devices.
- verify that the player's keys have not been changed.
- execute native code, possibly to patch an otherwise insecure system.
- transform the audio and video output. Parts of the content will not be viewable without letting the BD+-program unscramble it.
If a playback device manufacturer finds that its devices have been hacked, it can potentially release BD+-code that detects and circumvents the vulnerability. These programs can then be included in all new content releases."
Its simple read this and understand why Eclipze_
"BD+ was developed by Cryptography Research Inc. and is based on their concept of Self-Protecting Digital Content. BD+ is effectively a small virtual machine embedded in authorized players. It allows content providers to include executable programs on Blu-ray Discs. Such programs can:
- examine the host environment, to see if the player has been tampered with. Every licensed playback device manufacturer must provide the BD+ licensing authority with memory footprints that identify their devices.
- verify that the player's keys have not been changed.
- execute native code, possibly to patch an otherwise insecure system.
- transform the audio and video output. Parts of the content will not be viewable without letting the BD+-program unscramble it.
If a playback device manufacturer finds that its devices have been hacked, it can potentially release BD+-code that detects and circumvents the vulnerability. These programs can then be included in all new content releases."
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by RommelTJ - 2008-02-16 |
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» Blu-Ray for the win!
Blu-Ray is simply the best format. I personally own a dozen different Blu-Ray titles, so I'm glad I made the right choice.
RIP HD-DVD and Xbox360 with HD-DVD add on.
Blu-Ray is simply the best format. I personally own a dozen different Blu-Ray titles, so I'm glad I made the right choice.
RIP HD-DVD and Xbox360 with HD-DVD add on.
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Re: NomadHeath - 2008-02-16 |
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» EH...
The WINNING format, maybe, but best? No where close. Blu-Ray doesn't have near the same interactivity capabilities that HD-DVD has, nor did it even have all its basic functionality in tact at time of release. It costs more, and though it may have more space, it ultimately costs more simply because the players incorporate more technology than you actually EVEN NEED.
I don't necessarily WANT to buy a disc that can play something at 120 frames per second if every single studio movie in existance records at 26 frames per second. But thats how Sony squeezes more money out of you, and contracts stores like Best-Buy to make blu-ray sound better than HD-DVD.
Better? No. Better is when it does what it needs to do cheaper. Which blu-ray does not.
The WINNING format, maybe, but best? No where close. Blu-Ray doesn't have near the same interactivity capabilities that HD-DVD has, nor did it even have all its basic functionality in tact at time of release. It costs more, and though it may have more space, it ultimately costs more simply because the players incorporate more technology than you actually EVEN NEED.
I don't necessarily WANT to buy a disc that can play something at 120 frames per second if every single studio movie in existance records at 26 frames per second. But thats how Sony squeezes more money out of you, and contracts stores like Best-Buy to make blu-ray sound better than HD-DVD.
Better? No. Better is when it does what it needs to do cheaper. Which blu-ray does not.
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Re: ONESTEP - 2008-02-16 |
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» rofl
looks like buyers remorse for NomanHeath. Who knew that his fanboy pride for xbox would be crushed like ants on the sidewalk. Just bend over and take the shaft after blowing 199.00 for the hddvd addon
looks like buyers remorse for NomanHeath. Who knew that his fanboy pride for xbox would be crushed like ants on the sidewalk. Just bend over and take the shaft after blowing 199.00 for the hddvd addon
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Re: Darkthunder90 - 2008-02-16 |
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» What?
Im sorry but Nomad if your opinion was true, the 80 gig Ipod would be worse than a 60 gig Ipod just because it costs more. That doesn't ring right to me. Its almost the same situation as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is it not?
Im sorry but Nomad if your opinion was true, the 80 gig Ipod would be worse than a 60 gig Ipod just because it costs more. That doesn't ring right to me. Its almost the same situation as Blu-Ray and HD-DVD is it not?
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Re: lavino - 2008-02-17 |
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» anyone remember the 80's?
Anyone remember BETA? After Sony totally won, you guys are all gonna pay for more ;) Mark my word.
Anyone remember BETA? After Sony totally won, you guys are all gonna pay for more ;) Mark my word.
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Re: Eclipze_ - 2008-02-17 |
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» NomadHeath
You want to know why it can do the 120 fps stuff and fit so much? Its not because someones trying to get money off of you lol (everyone wants to make money but I wouldnt say thats the only reason). If you actually think about it dosnt it make sense to have all of the stuff that blu-ray offers. Technology dosnt stay the same, it changes every single day, so to make something future proof is a good choice. What if tomorrow the movie studios start making their movies at 120 fps? blu-ray would be ready to handle it wouldnt it... You think to much about placing blame on somebody as if theres always someone out to get you or somthing.
You want to know why it can do the 120 fps stuff and fit so much? Its not because someones trying to get money off of you lol (everyone wants to make money but I wouldnt say thats the only reason). If you actually think about it dosnt it make sense to have all of the stuff that blu-ray offers. Technology dosnt stay the same, it changes every single day, so to make something future proof is a good choice. What if tomorrow the movie studios start making their movies at 120 fps? blu-ray would be ready to handle it wouldnt it... You think to much about placing blame on somebody as if theres always someone out to get you or somthing.
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Re: na2rul - 2008-02-18 |
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» @NomadHeath
"But thats how Sony squeezes more money out of you"
????
and MS are the delightful samaritans? ha!
i'd be happy to spend cash on QUALITY stuff from places like sony. quality and appeal is mostly the selling point from my POV.
MS's marketing and hype is what makes them sell regardless of quality. Vista sucked according to many i kno. Steve jobs and various other youtube vids stated clearly that it literaly snatched and copied functions from mac OS which it had way before.
"But thats how Sony squeezes more money out of you"
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and MS are the delightful samaritans? ha!
i'd be happy to spend cash on QUALITY stuff from places like sony. quality and appeal is mostly the selling point from my POV.
MS's marketing and hype is what makes them sell regardless of quality. Vista sucked according to many i kno. Steve jobs and various other youtube vids stated clearly that it literaly snatched and copied functions from mac OS which it had way before.
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by theaceoffire - 2008-02-16 |
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» How will it affect the Console wars?
Well, they will now probably release a blu-ray addon for the 360.
Other than that, should be very close to the same.
However, since the ps3 is the cheapest blu-ray player, it might get some non-gamer sale increases.
Well, they will now probably release a blu-ray addon for the 360.
Other than that, should be very close to the same.
However, since the ps3 is the cheapest blu-ray player, it might get some non-gamer sale increases.
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Re: Predator04 - 2008-02-16 |
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» um
Cheapest blueray player? LMAO! no its not at all. you can get the newest sony player for 250. i guess you just have to know how to shop online...
Cheapest blueray player? LMAO! no its not at all. you can get the newest sony player for 250. i guess you just have to know how to shop online...
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by nllx - 2008-02-16 |
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Congrats BDA. Now this stupid war can go to rest.
I don't really see this affecting the consoles much since the PS3 trojan horse isn't the cheapest BD player anymore.
Congrats BDA. Now this stupid war can go to rest.
I don't really see this affecting the consoles much since the PS3 trojan horse isn't the cheapest BD player anymore.
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Re: ONESTEP - 2008-02-16 |
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» rofl
fan boy comments crack me up. Just realize you screwed up betting on microshaft
fan boy comments crack me up. Just realize you screwed up betting on microshaft
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Re: nllx - 2008-02-16 |
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Did you seriously just call me an xbox fanboy? I never showed a hint of any other console.
And you think MS is mad about this? How stupid are you? BD uses MS's VC-1 codec so MS is always going to be apart of this as long as it stays around.
Sorry troll, but you fail. Go back to hiding like a coward.
Did you seriously just call me an xbox fanboy? I never showed a hint of any other console.
And you think MS is mad about this? How stupid are you? BD uses MS's VC-1 codec so MS is always going to be apart of this as long as it stays around.
Sorry troll, but you fail. Go back to hiding like a coward.
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Re: Drausv - 2008-02-16 |
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» lol
the fanboy got PWNT wow lol
the fanboy got PWNT wow lol
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Re: Someone_PR - 2008-02-17 |
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» @ nllx
yes... blu ray support VC-1 codec and the pay like 10 cents of every disc and thats a lot.... but also support mpeg2 and MPEG-4 AVC which bluray use a lot... HD DVD use most VC1 and most of the remaining titles encoded with AVC... but is up of the movies studios on which one to use it but for microsoft is better the HD dvd because use more their codec
yes... blu ray support VC-1 codec and the pay like 10 cents of every disc and thats a lot.... but also support mpeg2 and MPEG-4 AVC which bluray use a lot... HD DVD use most VC1 and most of the remaining titles encoded with AVC... but is up of the movies studios on which one to use it but for microsoft is better the HD dvd because use more their codec
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Re: Someone_PR - 2008-02-17 |
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» and about...
the 360 will have a blu ray add on I don't see why not... more blu ray players on the market better for them... the blu ray people will not make less money for a console war.. like sony BMG music videos in the 360... they will not make less money for the playstation fault... if sony put music videos in the ps3 then they will be more loyal...
the 360 will have a blu ray add on I don't see why not... more blu ray players on the market better for them... the blu ray people will not make less money for a console war.. like sony BMG music videos in the 360... they will not make less money for the playstation fault... if sony put music videos in the ps3 then they will be more loyal...
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Re: nllx - 2008-02-18 |
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it's kind of funny how the stupid fanboys and +rep'd the troll. sad.
it's kind of funny how the stupid fanboys and +rep'd the troll. sad.
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by Surftycoon - 2008-02-16 |
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» hey
I reported this to you guys yesterday morning.
I reported this to you guys yesterday morning.
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by Yoloni - 2008-02-16 |
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» Yey.
Now, I don't need to worry about formats anymore. Hooray! I didn't really care which one's going to win. I mean, they both have their positives. I bought a PS3, so I'm happy. I feel sorry for TOSHIBA though. I have their TV. I don't think this is going to affect the console wars though. No one really knows what the formats are. I ask my friends what makes Blu-Ray better and they say it makes graphics better. What a stupid response. They don't even know what bluetooth is.
Now, I don't need to worry about formats anymore. Hooray! I didn't really care which one's going to win. I mean, they both have their positives. I bought a PS3, so I'm happy. I feel sorry for TOSHIBA though. I have their TV. I don't think this is going to affect the console wars though. No one really knows what the formats are. I ask my friends what makes Blu-Ray better and they say it makes graphics better. What a stupid response. They don't even know what bluetooth is.
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by CHUCKINGROCKSATSPACESHIPS - 2008-02-17 |
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» NomadHeath
Blu-ray now has the same features as HD-DVD if not more. Do your research. 120 frames a second, funny! Most Blu-rays are 24/1080p, silly "wandering crunchy snack."
Blu-ray now has the same features as HD-DVD if not more. Do your research. 120 frames a second, funny! Most Blu-rays are 24/1080p, silly "wandering crunchy snack."
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Re: jrm125 - 2008-02-17 |
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» lol
I was gonna call him "Wandering Drugged-out Dead Actor" but yours works too.
He's just upset he backed the wrong horse. Buyer's remorse.
Blu-ray FTW!
I was gonna call him "Wandering Drugged-out Dead Actor" but yours works too.
He's just upset he backed the wrong horse. Buyer's remorse.
Blu-ray FTW!
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by tigger - 2008-02-17 |
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» bfjeb
***** you all anyways..........***** blue ray!!!
***** you all anyways..........***** blue ray!!!
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Re: tigger - 2008-02-17 |
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» xbox360
the question is.....is the xbox 360 better than the playstation3?........xbox 360 is better! top that you *****s
the question is.....is the xbox 360 better than the playstation3?........xbox 360 is better! top that you *****s
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Re: Aces In The Palm - 2008-02-18 |
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» lol
is xbox360 better than ps3?
no
xbox360 has more games and a year head start
but is inferior in hardware and build quality
top that
is xbox360 better than ps3?
no
xbox360 has more games and a year head start
but is inferior in hardware and build quality
top that
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by shabghai360 - 2008-02-17 |
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» Technology research costs money
Thats really the bottom line and consumers through hype are convinced to purchase as this gives revenue to the developers. This is not a bad thing as without it development would stagnate. However data is data and both formats in this arena are already on the way out before they really get established. Both are a disk which is used to store and read data. Both require a mechanical drive to access this data pushing cost higher. If we really look to the market trends where smaller is better and more desirable then we can only assume that future consoles will become prevalent. Some snicker at the PSP but consider that it can run on a memory chip and that future enhancements and the ability to hook it up to your 42" screen will also impact the Blu ray. OK this will not be next week but it is definately coming relatively soon. MS with their 360 which is oversized and as big as a 1960's radio will also slim down as the market demands smaller prettier high end gadgets.
The removal of internal hard drives the absence of a disk drive and the move to solid state memory in the future with adequate memory slots to access data are the future. This is something that will happen and it may happen sooner than we think. We must also consider the demand for high speed data transfer for games and this is where memory based systems would theoretically put disk drives in the " do you remember " category.
We are right now living in a period where data transfer via network is not yet fast enough to accommodate the perfect control of sales and distribution scenario so a disk is for the moment the only solution.
Develop something put it on a disk put it in a package and sell it.
If the network speeds were fast enough this whole process takes on a new and better controlled environment. Log in use you CC and gain access.
This will happen for many logical reasons.
Control, removal of distribution and logistics, the ease of implementation, the reduction in costs and the fact that there would never be a shortage or surplus of supply. Data stays as Data and is downloaded or accessed upon demand and the monies are direct from your respective accounts.
Please forgive me if I sound arrogant but if any one believes this to be untrue then they are living in the past or too young to have witnessed the speed of advances in tech over the last 20 years.
Thats really the bottom line and consumers through hype are convinced to purchase as this gives revenue to the developers. This is not a bad thing as without it development would stagnate. However data is data and both formats in this arena are already on the way out before they really get established. Both are a disk which is used to store and read data. Both require a mechanical drive to access this data pushing cost higher. If we really look to the market trends where smaller is better and more desirable then we can only assume that future consoles will become prevalent. Some snicker at the PSP but consider that it can run on a memory chip and that future enhancements and the ability to hook it up to your 42" screen will also impact the Blu ray. OK this will not be next week but it is definately coming relatively soon. MS with their 360 which is oversized and as big as a 1960's radio will also slim down as the market demands smaller prettier high end gadgets.
The removal of internal hard drives the absence of a disk drive and the move to solid state memory in the future with adequate memory slots to access data are the future. This is something that will happen and it may happen sooner than we think. We must also consider the demand for high speed data transfer for games and this is where memory based systems would theoretically put disk drives in the " do you remember " category.
We are right now living in a period where data transfer via network is not yet fast enough to accommodate the perfect control of sales and distribution scenario so a disk is for the moment the only solution.
Develop something put it on a disk put it in a package and sell it.
If the network speeds were fast enough this whole process takes on a new and better controlled environment. Log in use you CC and gain access.
This will happen for many logical reasons.
Control, removal of distribution and logistics, the ease of implementation, the reduction in costs and the fact that there would never be a shortage or surplus of supply. Data stays as Data and is downloaded or accessed upon demand and the monies are direct from your respective accounts.
Please forgive me if I sound arrogant but if any one believes this to be untrue then they are living in the past or too young to have witnessed the speed of advances in tech over the last 20 years.
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Re: demologik - 2008-02-17 |
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» sounds great on paper..
but in reality.. I personally like to OWN a concrete item when i purchase something.. i hate the idea of paying for DATA..
i would never actually OWN that piece of data.. it would only exist inside that storage device..
With a disc.. i can actually SEE what i own.
With data its just numbers..
that might just be me though..
but in reality.. I personally like to OWN a concrete item when i purchase something.. i hate the idea of paying for DATA..
i would never actually OWN that piece of data.. it would only exist inside that storage device..
With a disc.. i can actually SEE what i own.
With data its just numbers..
that might just be me though..
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Re: na2rul - 2008-02-18 |
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» Solid State MEMORY?
u get an eighth of capacity of HDD 2.5" at what price??
u get an eighth of capacity of HDD 2.5" at what price??
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by ElDiablo - 2008-02-18 |
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» Disc V Data
Look when I get my Christmas presents I like 2 unwrap my game in its nice new box & it's easy 4 some1 2 walk into a shop & buy a game. There will always b a demand 4 a hard copy for a lot of people. Downloading extras or small games is fine 4 now.
What if ur machine breaks ala x360? U wanna download all ur games again? How bout going round a friends house with ur new game?
Oh & shabghai360 ur comment about living in the past....well ur past maybe future boy but I live in the present & none of ur buck rodgers world exists yet so just buy discs for now & stop being so geekish.
Nerds are cool but geeks take things a level 2 far.
Look when I get my Christmas presents I like 2 unwrap my game in its nice new box & it's easy 4 some1 2 walk into a shop & buy a game. There will always b a demand 4 a hard copy for a lot of people. Downloading extras or small games is fine 4 now.
What if ur machine breaks ala x360? U wanna download all ur games again? How bout going round a friends house with ur new game?
Oh & shabghai360 ur comment about living in the past....well ur past maybe future boy but I live in the present & none of ur buck rodgers world exists yet so just buy discs for now & stop being so geekish.
Nerds are cool but geeks take things a level 2 far.
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Re: shabghai360 - 2008-02-18 |
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» missing the point
the data you never own, the disk you do but the content is liscensed.
The memory prices are falling so fast its almost ridiculous. As for having to redownload games that will be in the past as they would naturally be stored online. Full download would be an option. Do not be blinded by webpage speeds. FTP sites for data backup are fast and gamers would be using this same process. As for geeks and nerds, thank god they exist otherwise you would still be playing checkers or marbles.
the data you never own, the disk you do but the content is liscensed.
The memory prices are falling so fast its almost ridiculous. As for having to redownload games that will be in the past as they would naturally be stored online. Full download would be an option. Do not be blinded by webpage speeds. FTP sites for data backup are fast and gamers would be using this same process. As for geeks and nerds, thank god they exist otherwise you would still be playing checkers or marbles.
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