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Here's a little update regarding the on-going format war between HD DVD and Blu-ray. We just got word that the online rental service 20 Comments
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by Quixand - 2008-02-12 |
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» get a clue hddvd
what are you waiting for??? the fat lady? well she ain't singing anymore, she's busy watching bluray.
what are you waiting for??? the fat lady? well she ain't singing anymore, she's busy watching bluray.
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Re: Goobers - 2008-02-12 |
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» well...
despite the fact that i, myself, believe Blu-Ray to be the "winner"... it ain't over just yet.
a guy on one leg can still win the race... if the other guy falls over and knocks himself out.
but i think the "clue" that HD-DVD is waiting for a "surer" sign... look at it this way... initially, HD-DVD had the backing of MOST of the major Hollywood studios, while BR had one or two. they stuck around and look where we are now.
i think all they're really waiting for is to end the quarter (end of Mar) or maybe the fiscal year (end of Aug). might as well finish something. then they can file the amount of money they LOSS (from potential profit) and close out the HD-DVD group. until then, just keep going with what they have.
despite the fact that i, myself, believe Blu-Ray to be the "winner"... it ain't over just yet.
a guy on one leg can still win the race... if the other guy falls over and knocks himself out.
but i think the "clue" that HD-DVD is waiting for a "surer" sign... look at it this way... initially, HD-DVD had the backing of MOST of the major Hollywood studios, while BR had one or two. they stuck around and look where we are now.
i think all they're really waiting for is to end the quarter (end of Mar) or maybe the fiscal year (end of Aug). might as well finish something. then they can file the amount of money they LOSS (from potential profit) and close out the HD-DVD group. until then, just keep going with what they have.
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Re: Goobers - 2008-02-12 |
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» i stand corrected...
maybe support for Blu-Ray "way back when" wasn't too bad... but there was one point that looked almost like the market was going HD-DVD.
maybe support for Blu-Ray "way back when" wasn't too bad... but there was one point that looked almost like the market was going HD-DVD.
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Re: SenorDingDong - 2008-02-12 |
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» Hmm
"a guy on one leg can still win the race... if the other guy falls over and knocks himself out."
..just like a bird with one wing can still fly if thrown by an armwrestler. Or a volkswagon can beat a ferrari if shot from a really large cannon.
Sorry, just saw a really bad analogy, and had to add my own.
"a guy on one leg can still win the race... if the other guy falls over and knocks himself out."
..just like a bird with one wing can still fly if thrown by an armwrestler. Or a volkswagon can beat a ferrari if shot from a really large cannon.
Sorry, just saw a really bad analogy, and had to add my own.
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Re: Thinker - 2008-02-12 |
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» To SenorDingDong
I was about to answer Goober's, well, a little naive response (no offense meant Goober) to Quixand's post, when I saw yours and realized nothing I said could top that! :)
I was about to answer Goober's, well, a little naive response (no offense meant Goober) to Quixand's post, when I saw yours and realized nothing I said could top that! :)
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Re: Goobers - 2008-02-12 |
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» naive?
my point was simple, it's not over, yet.
they still have the backing of one "exclusive" studio. and despite sales tanking (compared to Blu-Ray), they intend to AT LEAST sell off the remaining production of HD-DVDs they've already made.
until one or both of those are met, it's isn't over.
btw, the analogy isn't "bad". HD-DVD is essentially on its last legs, correct? and Blu-Ray is going full steam ahead, so unless there's a major FUBAR in the BR camp (ie a runner falling down)... then there's nothing to worry about.
unlike a bird being tossed or a volkswagon being shot out of a canon, the differences is WHO is "changed."
if you want to "match" my analogy, then... well, for the bird there's no way. but for the car, it is essentially, the Ferrari having some sort of mechanical problem... and if you've watched ANY racing, you'd know it's just as easy for a supercar break down or crash as your parents sedan.
again, my point is "it's not over"... but as long as nothing like a "miracle" happens, BR will win.
my point was simple, it's not over, yet.
they still have the backing of one "exclusive" studio. and despite sales tanking (compared to Blu-Ray), they intend to AT LEAST sell off the remaining production of HD-DVDs they've already made.
until one or both of those are met, it's isn't over.
btw, the analogy isn't "bad". HD-DVD is essentially on its last legs, correct? and Blu-Ray is going full steam ahead, so unless there's a major FUBAR in the BR camp (ie a runner falling down)... then there's nothing to worry about.
unlike a bird being tossed or a volkswagon being shot out of a canon, the differences is WHO is "changed."
if you want to "match" my analogy, then... well, for the bird there's no way. but for the car, it is essentially, the Ferrari having some sort of mechanical problem... and if you've watched ANY racing, you'd know it's just as easy for a supercar break down or crash as your parents sedan.
again, my point is "it's not over"... but as long as nothing like a "miracle" happens, BR will win.
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by na2rul - 2008-02-12 |
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» i thought there's no such word as "costumers"
but anyway at least i can add a BIT MORE ease to my easiness since i couldnt resist ordering an integrated Bluray DELL laptop.
shame its only 1440x900 but at least its better than 720p's :]
Cant wait to receiv it 22nd Feb. Laptops have HDMI now btw
but anyway at least i can add a BIT MORE ease to my easiness since i couldnt resist ordering an integrated Bluray DELL laptop.
shame its only 1440x900 but at least its better than 720p's :]
Cant wait to receiv it 22nd Feb. Laptops have HDMI now btw
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by ISOHaven - 2008-02-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Something's not right:
"Best buy also announced that it will begin recommending the Blu-ray format to its customers."
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"Best Buy made clear that its stores will still be offering an "assortment of HD DVD products"
If that where true, then they would obviously stock LESS HD-DVD players (since they would have to push this at the player level as you can't recommend an HD-DVD player owner to buy BR discs). Once this "phase out" starts it's inevitable to stop stocking the player widespread. Even if you phase out to one player, who's going to buy that? One HD-DVD player over 4+ BR players? It outright does not make sense to stock product that YOU WILL NOT be recommending. Best Buy can "pretend" to be looking after the customers best interest but in the end they only care about one thing, revenue.
So with that said, this sounds like nothing more then a bunch of PR crap from Best Buy. It would seem their intentions are to eventually phase out HD-DVD just like NetFlix.
OR, maybe the only HD-DVD players they'll stock are dual format players. That would make more sense.
Either way the end result is complete negativity towards HD-DVD. Yet another nail in the coffin.
Something's not right:
"Best buy also announced that it will begin recommending the Blu-ray format to its customers."
yet:
"Best Buy made clear that its stores will still be offering an "assortment of HD DVD products"
If that where true, then they would obviously stock LESS HD-DVD players (since they would have to push this at the player level as you can't recommend an HD-DVD player owner to buy BR discs). Once this "phase out" starts it's inevitable to stop stocking the player widespread. Even if you phase out to one player, who's going to buy that? One HD-DVD player over 4+ BR players? It outright does not make sense to stock product that YOU WILL NOT be recommending. Best Buy can "pretend" to be looking after the customers best interest but in the end they only care about one thing, revenue.
So with that said, this sounds like nothing more then a bunch of PR crap from Best Buy. It would seem their intentions are to eventually phase out HD-DVD just like NetFlix.
OR, maybe the only HD-DVD players they'll stock are dual format players. That would make more sense.
Either way the end result is complete negativity towards HD-DVD. Yet another nail in the coffin.
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Re: Demon Slayer - 2008-02-12 |
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» ---
I'm pretty sure they're just going to kind of ignore HD-DVD at this point, but will continue to stock it until its inevitable death for those who still want it. It doesn't sound like they're running some sort of conspiracy to completely get rid get rid of it, but there's no reason to continue pushing it when it's on its deathbed.
Basically, if you don't know what you want, they'll recommend Blu-ray, but HD-DVD will still be completely there if you want it.
I'm pretty sure they're just going to kind of ignore HD-DVD at this point, but will continue to stock it until its inevitable death for those who still want it. It doesn't sound like they're running some sort of conspiracy to completely get rid get rid of it, but there's no reason to continue pushing it when it's on its deathbed.
Basically, if you don't know what you want, they'll recommend Blu-ray, but HD-DVD will still be completely there if you want it.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-02-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
As anyone who's managed retail knows....shelf space costs MONEY.
If you aren't going to push a product then there is no point in having it take up shelf space.
Any product that does not sell well, is reviewed and pulled if no can find a way to push it. According to BB there is no intent to ever push. So what's the point?
At BB, it's death is inevitable. They'll get pulled if they don't sell well and they don't plan to sell them, well.....or something....
As anyone who's managed retail knows....shelf space costs MONEY.
If you aren't going to push a product then there is no point in having it take up shelf space.
Any product that does not sell well, is reviewed and pulled if no can find a way to push it. According to BB there is no intent to ever push. So what's the point?
At BB, it's death is inevitable. They'll get pulled if they don't sell well and they don't plan to sell them, well.....or something....
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by eaglebaize - 2008-02-12 |
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» Maybe I'm completely without a doubt correct, but...
I read in a magazine that if HD-DVD really does completely die out, it wants to do whatever it can to drag down Blu-ray with it.
If HD-DVD is together with the major Hollywood companies, and Blu-Ray is with the Major Retailers (I'm not sure whether that's right or not), what would happen to them both? HD-DVD's with the producers, and Blu-ray's with the retailers. Think, how can retailers of Blu-ray supply such a format if they aren't getting things like major blockbusters from the Hollywood companies?
This could kill both formats :( That would leave room for other formats to try and make it in the future. I'm bothered by this possibility. Does anyone disagree with me on that?
I read in a magazine that if HD-DVD really does completely die out, it wants to do whatever it can to drag down Blu-ray with it.
If HD-DVD is together with the major Hollywood companies, and Blu-Ray is with the Major Retailers (I'm not sure whether that's right or not), what would happen to them both? HD-DVD's with the producers, and Blu-ray's with the retailers. Think, how can retailers of Blu-ray supply such a format if they aren't getting things like major blockbusters from the Hollywood companies?
This could kill both formats :( That would leave room for other formats to try and make it in the future. I'm bothered by this possibility. Does anyone disagree with me on that?
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-02-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Hollywood is BACKING Bluray. Because of that retailers are also backing Bluray.
There is no such thing as HD-DVD draging BluRay down with it. Consumers WANT an HD solution and they are buying an HD solution.
As long as there is a want for HD content on disc format there will always be someone producing HD content on disc format.
Hollywood is BACKING Bluray. Because of that retailers are also backing Bluray.
There is no such thing as HD-DVD draging BluRay down with it. Consumers WANT an HD solution and they are buying an HD solution.
As long as there is a want for HD content on disc format there will always be someone producing HD content on disc format.
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Re: eaglebaize - 2008-02-12 |
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» Lol
Alright, thanks.
That clears a lot of things up.
Alright, thanks.
That clears a lot of things up.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-02-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Maybe what you read somewhere is that HD-DVD has the backing of ONE major Hollywood company. They also have the backing one other not so major company. With only 1.5 backings...they're toast.
Maybe what you read somewhere is that HD-DVD has the backing of ONE major Hollywood company. They also have the backing one other not so major company. With only 1.5 backings...they're toast.
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by ho-oh arabia - 2008-02-12 |
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» Now........
Why can't you BLOODY people just admit Blu-Ray is the winner? Its got almost all the good companies on its side. Not to mention the PS3 and Blu-Ray movies go hand in hand, making the PS3 the best Blu-Ray player solution. Sony has finally won a format war. Face Toshiba, its over for you! :p
Why can't you BLOODY people just admit Blu-Ray is the winner? Its got almost all the good companies on its side. Not to mention the PS3 and Blu-Ray movies go hand in hand, making the PS3 the best Blu-Ray player solution. Sony has finally won a format war. Face Toshiba, its over for you! :p
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by Rental_Ninja - 2008-02-12 |
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» This could suck for someone.
Though it seems pretty clear that blu-ray will win and hd-dvd will be phased out completely, if it goes the other way someone is still going to get screwed. All the people who invested on the losing format will be left with useless technology. They wont be able to get any new movies and i highly doubt they will be able to sell their player. This is why I think both formats will remain in the game until the next format unless all their support is completely taken away, therefor they have no movies to sell. Especially since the 2 current gen consoles play their respective HD disc. I think they are going to try to keep that format around as long as they can because there will always be a want for them, even if its not very big. Little revenue is more then none.
Though it seems pretty clear that blu-ray will win and hd-dvd will be phased out completely, if it goes the other way someone is still going to get screwed. All the people who invested on the losing format will be left with useless technology. They wont be able to get any new movies and i highly doubt they will be able to sell their player. This is why I think both formats will remain in the game until the next format unless all their support is completely taken away, therefor they have no movies to sell. Especially since the 2 current gen consoles play their respective HD disc. I think they are going to try to keep that format around as long as they can because there will always be a want for them, even if its not very big. Little revenue is more then none.
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Re: ISOHaven - 2008-02-12 |
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» WTF!?!?!?!?!
Doubtful. Tell that to everyone who bought Betamax.
Having dual format hurts consumers more then the few that will be left in the dust. That's a risk you take when you buy into new technology. If the consumer didn't know that when buying well...there's something to said about being an INFORMED consumer.
Doubtful. Tell that to everyone who bought Betamax.
Having dual format hurts consumers more then the few that will be left in the dust. That's a risk you take when you buy into new technology. If the consumer didn't know that when buying well...there's something to said about being an INFORMED consumer.
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Re: i3obtl - 2008-02-13 |
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» Support in both consoles?
I don't think so. The 360 only kind of supports it unless you bought an Elite( for full 1080p), and at the price of the Elite ($429+) and the cost of the HD-DVD player($119.99) You are looking at way more than a 40 gig PS3($399) and more than the 80 gig($499) too. So why bother? If you want to want HD movies on your game system, just get the PS3 and save 150 bucks.
I don't think so. The 360 only kind of supports it unless you bought an Elite( for full 1080p), and at the price of the Elite ($429+) and the cost of the HD-DVD player($119.99) You are looking at way more than a 40 gig PS3($399) and more than the 80 gig($499) too. So why bother? If you want to want HD movies on your game system, just get the PS3 and save 150 bucks.
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by dvdchas - 2008-02-12 |
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» xbox 360 doesn't have play hd discs
to rental ninja. 2 current gen consoles don't play there repective hd disc. only one does and thats called the ps3. the xbox360 only plays dvd's just like the ps2 and xbox before it. if you purchase an external hd dvd drive for the xbox 360 then maybe you can play hddvd. but thats not exactly hitting the masses, and also misses out on the hd audio.
maybe things could have been different. but ms decided not to risk backing hddvd like that. just like most of the studios.
to rental ninja. 2 current gen consoles don't play there repective hd disc. only one does and thats called the ps3. the xbox360 only plays dvd's just like the ps2 and xbox before it. if you purchase an external hd dvd drive for the xbox 360 then maybe you can play hddvd. but thats not exactly hitting the masses, and also misses out on the hd audio.
maybe things could have been different. but ms decided not to risk backing hddvd like that. just like most of the studios.
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Re: na2rul - 2008-02-13 |
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» if xbox did hav HDDVD games
boy wud it have been a hell of a battle. either way both next gen consoles cudve guaranteed no restriction of storage
boy wud it have been a hell of a battle. either way both next gen consoles cudve guaranteed no restriction of storage
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